Asimov’s Discussion Forum is back online – The case for self-respecting Jewry to boycott the forum

Asimov’s Forum is back up with its archives intact!

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Message From The Editor 
 5/13/2011 12:17:01 PMpermalink • reply with quote 
admin
Posts 115  We are excited to reopen the Asimov’s forum and look forward to having an appropriate and meaningful dialogue.
This is a privately owned space and Dell Magazines insists on decorum when posting on this site.
Dell Magazines expects the same maturity, sense of pride, and understanding of the difference between good and bad behavior on this site that drives us all in our everyday dealings with others.

Sheila

That’s the editor of Asimov’s Science Fiction Magazine Sheila Williams. 

This means of course the two threads pertinent to my just completed series ‘Asimov’s Forum and Der Stürmer – Can You Tell the Difference? On the banality of Holocaust Revisionism’ are once again accessible. That is the ‘James Hogan has passed away’ thread   and the James Hogan Author thread.  The ‘Holocaust Deniers’ thread   in Postscript Part B of my series remains inaccessible at the forum since this one was posted up in the Religious/Political Section (which has not been revived). However the reader should note that the deleting of comments by admin from the ‘James Hogan has passed away’ thread means the full unedited thread is still only available at my blog in the Postscript Part A.  

And here we have a continuation of the unsurpassably shameless and the stark and raving..

http://www.asimovs.com/aspnet_forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=4885

4/7/2011 7:11:59 PMpermalink • reply with quote 
Marian
Posts 3691  Shouldn’t stating inflammatory posts will be deleted include racist and homophobic posts? The complaints you’ve been seeing, as is being pointed out by a number of the forumites is that these deeply offensive and inflammatory posts have been allowed to stand.

 
This is the same ‘Marian’ (ie Marian Powell minor SF short story writer and book reviewer residing in Arizona) who outed herself as a Holocaust Revisionist at this self-same forum! See my just completed series’ https://seasonoftheredwolf.wordpress.com/2011/04/23/introduction-to-11-part-series-asimovs-forum-der-sturmer-can-you-tell-the-difference-on-the-banality-of-holocaust-revisionism/

[See especially part 7, Postscripts Part A and B of my series for all the evidence of Marian’s Holocaust Revisionism, clickable links are in the introduction] Marian’s harebrained comments evidencing her Holocaust Revisionism are now once again accessible at the ‘James Hogan has passed away’ thread and the ‘James Hogan Author’ thread, albeit the doublethink comments of hers from the ‘Holocaust Deniers thread  are only viewable in my Postscript Part B. Cleary to Marian writing up odious obscene commentary endorsing Holocaust Revisionism as legitimate and reasonable! is not “deeeply offensive and inflammatory” – well it’s the truth in Marian’s eyes, so how could it be! And her posts in this regard have been allowed to stand and Marian remains unbanned and indeed clearly welcome, even after my exposé.  

One wonders what racist and homophobic posts – as Marian puts it “that these deeply offensive and inflammatory posts have been allowed to stand” – could be any worse than Marian’s own deeply offensive and inflammatory posts endorsing Holocaust Revisionism at the self-same Asimov’s forum on two distinct forum threads! Her posts in this regard remember are on two threads and have been allowed to stand (and are once again accessible at the Asimov’s Forum)! 

Unsurpassable nuttiness and hypocrisy here from Marian. And what of admin..

Further up I quote Sheila Williams editor of Asimov’s Science Fiction Magazine, upon reopening up the forum..

This is a privately owned space and Dell Magazines insists on decorum when posting on this site.
Dell Magazines expects the same maturity, sense of pride, and understanding of the difference between good and bad behavior on this site that drives us all in our everyday dealings with others.

Did Sheila type that up with a straight face in light of my exposé (see in particular parts 5 and 9 of the pertinent just completed series)?  How to reconcile the above statements of S Williams with what went down last year on the ‘James Hogan has passed away’ thread and the sinister behaviour of admin in this regard? One cannot – it is that simple. After all Marian is still free to post up at the forum (and one assumes Truesdale and Hidaka likewise if they so wish..).

Is Sheila Williams unaware of my blog series or doesn’t she feel that the hypocrisy and the Jew-hatred-falls-outside-of-the-forum-guidelines approach of admin troubling at all? Marian remains unbanned (for what I am getting at exactly see Part 9 of my series). Is the same administrator who threatened to BAN me for calling a Holocaust Denier a Nazi but has no problem with inflammatory and racist Holocaust Revisionism STILL an administrator there? If so Sheila how can you in all sincerity write the following upon  the reopening of the forum?

Dell Magazines expects the same maturity, sense of pride, and understanding of the difference between good and bad behavior on this site that drives us all in our everyday dealings with others.

 

Mark Pontin who is predictably shameless continues to post up there at the forum. If I gave a damn I would be curious to see just how this Jew Pontin (who is certainly no Holocaust Revisionist) interacts with Marian (who he should well know by *now* is a Holocaust Revisionist). 

Here’s the PM I sent to Asimov’s admin on 17th May: (corrected for typos)

Dear admin     (I assume this is not Sheila?)

I would like to know if the self-same administrator who threatened to ban me for calling a Holocaust Denier a Nazi last year and who didn’t ban or even appear to threaten a ban on those (like Marian and Truesdale) unequivocally endorsing Holocaust Revisionism and the likes of S Hidaka for giving circumstantial evidence of same (albeit not conclusive), remains an administrator here? See my pertinent series re this forum and Holocaust Revisionism at my blog seasonoftheredwolf.wordpress.com for the details here. Introduction here  Parts 5 and 9 of this series are very pertinent to admin.

Clearly Marian REMAINS more than welcome whereas the likes of ‘Sparrow’ and S F Murphy have been banned for far lesser offences than ENDORSING HOLOCAUST REVISIONISM! What about my own banning threat? The signals here are very very clear. Asimov’s Forum remains the conspicuous ‘web presence’ of Asimov’s Science Fiction Magazine and as such admin decisions re the forum reflect on the magazine and its staff. Let me put it this way – it’s an ongoing disgrace. As a self-respecting Jew I will not be posting up on your forum (even if I had the time), a forum where Holocaust Revisionists remain clearly welcome. The pertinent series at my blog is known by many Jewish genre folk, writers and editors btw. I will be calling for a boycott of the forum by any and all self-respecting genre Jewry at my blog.

 

I am well aware that the self-same administrator who threatened to ban me last year for calling a Holocaust Denier (shock horror) a Nazi but clearly issued no banning threat to the Holocaust Revisionists themselves and their myriad supporters may well still be the administrator and have received that PM! What can you do? There has been no clarification from Sheila Williams in this regard, that is if somebody new has taken the role of admin.    

Given how admin is a supposedly responsible appointment on behalf of the Asimov’s Science Fiction Magazine staff and therefore Dell Magazines itself, it is tellingly disturbing PR. Admin’s appointment and subsequent actions reflects on the Asimov’s Science Fiction Magazine staff and Dell Magazines itself. Not only will I not be posting up at Asimov’s Forum (I actually don’t have the time anymore what with my blog!) on principle; I call for all self-respecting Jewry not to post up at Asimov’s Forum. This would include not only Jewish fandom, but Jewish published SF writers, editors, agents, publishers. The plain reason is that it is a forum where Holocaust Revisionists who out themselves as Holocaust Revisionists at the forum!! remain welcome (not even threatened with a banning unlike myself).

Anybody think Dave Truesdale cannot post up there at the Asimov’s Forum? I’m sure he can, Marian Powell his fellow Holocaust Revisionist can after all. Same goes I’m sure for Sam Hidaka (editor at the Universe Annex of the Grantville Gazette) who gave strong circumstantial (albeit not conclusive) evidence in sympathy for Holocaust Revisionism. S F Murphy and ‘Sparrow’ cannot post up at the forum. They were banned for far less insulting and offensive commentary.

Maybe if one had initiated a thread at the Asimov’s Forum entitled ‘Why Slavery in America was a godsend for African-Americans who should stop moaning about it’, that would have been just fine and dandy with Asimov’s admin perhaps? Or not?

If one had under such a thread written commentary like this:

“The ni.. uh African-Americans should stop moaning about slavery and Jim Crow. These folk don’t appreciate just how European slavers and the British Empire and the Confederacy did them all a big favour saving them from the backward primitiveness and wars raging through the African continent at the time. And where would you rather be born anyway, in Africa or America the greatest country on earth? So to African-Americans shut it. Plenty of us have had enough of your blather about slavery and how terrible and tragic it was. Boo hoo hoo. Get over it. You weren’t slaves yourselves, so what’s it to you? Anyhow the slaves weren’t really slaves, they were servants and they didn’t have it so bad. It’s just a bunch of bleeding heart so-called historians who exaggerate it out of all proportion. They have their agenda is all.”

Maybe if such a poster were to start another thread at the Asimov’s Forum a few hours later condemning slavery as a terrible evil the self-same day and those who downplay and dismiss it as anti-black racists, that would make the racist harebrained gibberish post above not racist? For what I am getting at see Postscript Part B of my series on Holocaust Revisionism from within the genre community. Yes it applies to Marian Powell (‘Marian’) pertinently.    

Would such hypothetical anti-black racist claptrap sit just fine with admin and Sheila? I mean since Holocaust Revisonism does not earn a banning (not even a threat of one it would appear) and Holocaust Revisionists concerned remain more than welcome to post at the forum..

If the above hypothetical obscene and disgusting anti-black racist post does not sit well with admin and Sheila Williams, can admin and Sheila Williams editor of Asimov’s Science Fiction Magazine explain the disgusting DOUBLE STANDARDS HERE (re Holocaust Revisionism and Revisionists themselves more than welcome at the forum)?  My exposé makes things chillingly clear.

Cleary the new Asimov’s Forum guidelines remain as much of a joke as was the case prior to the Asimov’s Forum shut down last month. Remember it is the self-same forum. The archives of the forum prior to the shut-down are back online. It is not a spanking new Asimov’s forum. It’s the same old forum. Nobody had to reregister. Same old usernames and passwords apply. It was just offline for a little over a month that’s all. The only difference is that there is no longer a Religious/Political Section. Re Asimov’s Forum guidelines, selective enforcement applies and the rules can be bent as admin see fit, especially when it comes to prejudice – and extreme prejudice at that – against Jewry. What prejudice? Hear no evil, see no evil..

Asimov’s Forum guidelines clearly did not and do not apply when offending Jews with obscene anti-Semitism inclusive of the very worst kind of anti-Semitism, Holocaust Revisionism (I write “do not” since self-same Holocaust Revisionists REMAIN persona grata and unbanned). I suggest Asimov’s admin adds the following caveat to the Asimov’s Forum guidelines:

The rules on inflammatory and insulting posts do not apply to insults – no matter how extremely offensive – against Jewry. As it is open season on Jewry in the wider world once again, Asimov’s Forum will be following the trend. If that means spitting on the grave of Isaac Asimov himself, then so be it. 

That would at least be honest.

Or is it just a case of letting bygones be bygones? If we all just ignore Marian’s Holocaust Revisionism and nobody brings up the subject again (the Religious/Political section is gone), we can pretend it doesn’t exist and that she never mentioned it on the self-same forum (even though the archives are all accessible again and thus so are her Holocaust Revisionist comments) and we will ignore Asimov’s admin’s disgusting hypocrisy, moral and ethical inversions (worse than double standards) as well? Yeah?

Doubtless Dave Truesdale and Sam Hidaka are free to post up at the forum if they so choose to. Or not Sheila?

If this were a new forum of Asimov’s Science Fiction Magazine, the point could be argued that the crimes and prejudices of the posters from the old forum that went offline in early April this year cannot be held against them. However it is not a new forum. It is the same old forum that was just offline for about five weeks. Excising the Religious/Political section of the forum does not make it a de novo forum. 

I would have no problem here at all if Asimov’s Forum admin didn’t pretend it had some kind of rules re insulting and inflammatory (that would be inclusive of brazenly prejudiced) posting. The thing is they did and do continue to pretend that there is a universal and consistent standard here. I would also have no problem if admin (and thus implicitly the editors and staff at Asimov’s Science Fiction Magazine since admin decisions reflect on the latter) were honest about their forum guidelines not being applicable re extreme prejudice against Jewry. Like I write above, I would appreciate the honesty. Thing is they do pretend to have rules on inflammatory and insulting posting (thus inclusive of extreme prejudice) and they do pretend universality in this regard.

Also if the same administrator who disgracefully and woefully mishandled the infamous ‘James Hogan has passed away’ flame-war thread last year is onboard again – the same one who threatened to ban me for calling a spade a spade re Holocaust Denial but had no problem with Holocaust Revisionists themselves spouting out their poisonous rubbish (a reminder – see Part 9 of my series); that more than anything tells me all I need to know.

That alone is adequate justification for a request to all *self-respecting* Jewry to boycott the forum.

Yes I know I myself continued on occasion to post up at the forum after the ‘James Hogan has passed away’ flame-war went down in July 2010. I just didn’t want the dolts there to win! However on reflection, the right thing to do (especially in light of my exposé on the Asimov’s Forum at this blog) is to avoid that forum entirely until and unless Asimov’s Forum admin enforces its guidelines universally and consistently or does away with posting guidelines altogether. One or the other.

Otherwise one is sending the message that extreme unvarnished Jew-hatred is no big deal, that it is acceptable. Something to let slide by. Just a minor quibble that we agree to disagree on, like a controversy in evolutionary biology or similar. Holocaust Denial/Revisionism yaaaaawn, who cares? Well some of us do.

Remember the Holocaust Revisionist who pretends she is not!  (see my Postscript Part B for the elucidation) Marian Powell is one of the most frequent and thus conspicuous posters at the Asimov’s Forum. Perhaps it is fitting.     
 
Asimov’s Forum. The farce continues. Predictably so.

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